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Вс, Дек 31, 2006 12:36am Anonymous - 7037 d ago

The threat is real!
The most immediate threat today is global warming. There is so much evidence of climate change: Kansas armadillos are moving more northward where nobody ever saw them before. There is less snow and heavier rainfalls that indicate planetary climate change. The category four storms have doubled in the last 5 years. The Greenland ice sheets along with West Atlantic sheets melt at a very fast rate, and many more other evidence of potential “holocaust.” Not the holocaust that has a definition of complete destruction, usually by fire, but holocaust that will be caused by our own actions, or in this case our passiveness to what is going on in our “backyard.” Our greed for land, money, speed… Is there really a limit to how much we can seek to acquire in our live, or call for convenience? All these lead to immanent self-destruction. It appears to me that we humans don’t have enough intellect to save us from ourselves. How long can we deny the reality of the event? I am an optimist and I believe we can reverse the global warming!

I want to invite you all to participate in this discussion and offer any ideas and/or solutions that could help to stop this reaction. What are YOU doing today to help the environment? Let this be the beginning of a new interest group. If you decide not to participate in this discussion try to explain the reason why you are not interested. I am not asking from you for any financial contribution, I only ask for a little of your time. As a participant you can express your fears of global warming, things that you do already doing to reverse the process, or things that you would like to do but something gets on your way. Please, lets make a change!

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Вс, Дек 31, 2006 03:49pm Дед Пихто - 7036 d ago
Ага. А чё, по moему хороший план.

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 04:23pm Вита - 7036 d ago
A "тётя " хоршая есть? И где НГ праздновать будешь?

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 04:33pm Дед Пихто - 7036 d ago
В Астории.

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 04:36pm Вита - 7036 d ago
Have fun and happy and healthy New Year to you

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 05:50pm Дед Пихто - 7036 d ago
спасибо и тебе тово же

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 05:51pm Anonymous - 7036 d ago

Wizard, it only takes a few degrees to melt the polar ice caps.

Ded Pihto, you don’t have to participate in this topic. There are no obligations, take it easy.
I got the feeling that no body here have any concern in today’s world’s problems. Well, I do and I was hoping to find a few individuals who care. I am disappointed that no one is interested in this topic. I was hopping to see your input. It seem that it is such an important topic today.
Happy New Years to all.

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 06:18pm wizard - 7036 d ago

и? это натуральный процесс - чем меньше льда, тем быстрее таяние. планета пережила это несколько раз, не вижу причин, почему она не выдержит сейчас. зато в чикаго нет снега, можно плавать из россии в канаду и осваивать тундру. процесс необратим и должен был случиться раньше или позже. deal with it

carbon dioxide - посмотри сколько производят джунгли, а также сколько лесов было уничтожено. в результате может оказаться что мы отстаем от графика развития событий если бы нас не было

ни один из "hundreds of scientists" до сих пор не доказал что человечество тому виной.

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 06:48pm Anonymous - 7036 d ago
Scientists do agree on that fact that humans have a huge input on the global worming. Thanks to their input, the Kyoto protocol was ratified. (I will provide the link soon as I'll find it). There are always opponents on the other site. It reminds me about the nicotine debate. Today there are warnings on the packaging. Debate is over!

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 07:46pm wizard - 7036 d ago

если бы "Scientists do agree" не было бы "opponents on the other site"

kyoto превратился в фарс. технологически развитые европа и япония фактически игнорируют его и закупают кредиты у неразвитых, вторая в мире страна по эмиссии китай (которая по прогнозам переплюнет америку через пару десятков лет) и индия пользуются их правом не соблюдения норм, россия удачно попала поскольку в 1990 году промышленность союза не работала на полную мощность, сторонники kyoto признают что протокол не остановит глобальное потепление, а лишь слегка замедлит. в то же время расходы на соблюдение договоренности гораздо выше расходов на адаптацию к новому климату, в противном случае мы получим очередной кризис 30ых годов. вы готовы продать ваш дом и переехать в рент на саусайде? это будет вполне реальным вкладом - отапливать надо будет меньшую площадь. заодно продайте обе машины и пересядьте на велосипеды - всё же меньше углекислого газа. что, не хотите? тогда что толку с агитации остальных? начинать надо с личного примера

P.S. Chicago является членом RGGI, так что на данном форуме агитировать некого

Вс, Дек 31, 2006 08:00pm Е. - 7036 d ago
Вам страшно за будушее планеты? Примите коньячку, коньяк притуплает чувство страха. Всех с Новым Годом (,и с новым витком глобального потепления )!!

Пн, Янв 1, 2007 01:13pm Anonymous - 7035 d ago

"Scientists do agree" - That is a general statement. As I am sure you know there are always opponents in any matter even so called “established facts.” One good example comes to my mind is a case with an aspartame. Even though FDA approved this product it does not change the fact of NutraSweet toxicity, and you continue to see it on the market. You said it yourself; people will always find the way to disobey the laws. We are our own worst enemies.
You are right, I should set an example to others. It is very hard to break old habits. In fact I work on it hard every day: recycling, using less heat and air conditioner, changing filters in my furnace, using less hat water, driving smart (Riding a bike is actually not such a bad idea), and above all of that trying to encourage others to conserve. I am planning to advance my practices, what I mean by that is buying an energy efficient car and a few other things to change my lifestyle.
The fact is that a lot of homes and communities in general are not setup for rapid change. It will take years before we turn all the existing homes into energy efficient homes and build new ones. It is very long and expansive process and believe me, I know that not everyone can afford such change. I alone don’t have much control or influence over our global situation, and it bothers me a lot. Some of you may find it amusing. People laughed at Noah at first…
I hope to see some major changes and more laws that can set new rules. Those who follow these policies should be rewarded through tax breaks, etc. Maybe it will get worse before it will get better.

Пн, Янв 1, 2007 02:04pm wizard - 7035 d ago

в данном случае нет "established facts". есть изменения, причины которых точно не известны и не будут известны в течение ещё лет 50-ти за простым неимением статистических данных и полной математической модели. пока этого нет - всё остальное есть разговоры в пользу бедных. никто ничего не будет делать пока в этом нет экономического смысла - мы при капитализме живём, всё таки. поэтому если вам хочется изменений - вам придётся доказать, что это выгодно.
завтра вводят новые тарифы на электричество, так что вам так или иначе придётся использовать меньше "heat and air conditioner".
покупка новой машины только ухудшает ситуацию - на данный момент мы имеем одну плохую машину, после покупки их станет две плюс стимуляция производителя и увеличение потребления бензина.
если америка станет ратифицировать куото, введут дополнительный налог на бензин и энергоносители и вам придётся задуматься, а можете ли вы вообще позволить себе ездить на машине.
recycling здесь вполне обычное дело и ничего нового вряд ли можно придумать. разве что вместо одного бака ставить три как в германии для стекла, металла и бумаги, но это приведёт к дополнительным расходам на транспортировку мусора, а следовательно к увеличению налогов, чему вы вряд ли будете рады.
новые дома будут эффективнее по той простой причине что их не надо будет отапливать - глобальное потепление сделает это за вас

а лучше не станет - обернуть процесс в обратную сторону невозможно или будет стоить слишком дорого, да и не понятно зачем. всё меняется, не вижу причины препятствовать. боитесь нового мира? это ничего, адаптируетесь - он ни чем не хуже и не лучше старого, просто другой

меня куда больше беспокоит вероятность столкновения с астероидом, исчезновение динозавров может показаться после этого детским лепетом, а вероятность события растёт с каждой секундой

кстати это решит вашу проблему потепления, наступит долгая космическая зима...

Вт, Янв 2, 2007 04:57pm Anonymous - 7034 d ago

Actually, we do contribute to the global warming and that is “the established fact.” In addition to that there are other natural factors that are hard to calculate. There are models that are being used today to show daily carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and it shows fairly accurate data. What is hard to calculate or better yet predict is what could happen to carbon dioxide over the next century.
In my opinion we should be even more concerned because of the uncertainty of the predictions and take precautionary measures instead of waiting to see what will happen. Taking this process one step at a time is a whole lot better than not taking any steps at all.
If we continue ignore this issue we may face major consequences that can cost us even more, unless of course we do not give a damn what happens a few years from now. Most of us pay closer attention to our health, if we get signs of disease we don’t like to ignore the discomfort. Some people procrastinate, but often they suffer from their passiveness or laziness. So, what are we waiting for? More damage to our planet, hoping the pain or dangerous state of carbon dioxide will go away? Besides, most of the actions that contribute to global warming also contribute other pollutants in the environment.

I see your point too, and yes I agree, putting more time and money into study of this issue and also taking curtain precautionary measures currently are not beneficial for majority, including me. Even if the there are not enough evidence or precise models to clearly show every contributing factor for global warming and an accurate calculation of the final outcome (I am speaking form my own observation. I’ve done some studies and research last a few years. All these show plenty of evidence that lead me to believe it is a time to get more serious.), we should be at least prudent in our “capitalistic practices.” It would be cheaper to make the changes now, then the cost of waiting. Consider chemical waste dumps as an example, it may be cheaper for companies to dump at sites now, but the clean up cost is always 10 times greater and the cost is always passed on to the taxpayer. I am not saying it is easy, I wouldn’t deny that actions I describe above could be very costly, and yes, the major losers would be ordinary people. I am willing to pay this price.

I recently herd Hilary Clinton’s speech on greener energy policy. I found it very interesting, and mostly agree with her philosophy. If you have any interest to what she thinks about this issue, you can read her speech here or even download the video. http://www.clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=247652&&
Even if you are not her big fan (I admire the woman, it does not mean I agree with absolutely everything she says, this speech makes a lot of sense) I think it is good to know other well respected people’s opinion.

We can probably go back and forth discussing this matter days or even weeks. I don’t due this for the sake of argument. It is not my nature, besides I need to spend more time on investigating this issue before I can add more to the argument. It is hard to come to a final conclusion, so far what I read is very controversial in its nature, which makes it even more difficult to comprehend. I hope I will get to the bottom of it. What makes it truly difficult is that it is human nature to look for personal benefits and growths, this is a major barrier, human psyche - slows down this process. We often rely on scientific calculations and studies. We do that because they are authority, not always taking into account that scientists are people with their own agendas. Nothing is sacred anymore, even an organization such as Green Peace is very questionable. I hate to say it, but the existence of this organization is barely about protecting our environment but more about its own power.

In conclusion I just wanted to see your point of view, nothing more. Thank you for listening, or in this case reading, and thank you for sharing your opinion.

Вт, Янв 2, 2007 05:17pm wizard - 7034 d ago

Now we talking

Next time publish it under some nickname... Anonymous global warming fighters group doesn't sound right. Also russian language probably would be better - not sure if everyone here understands english. And I still wonder - if you say you going to recycle, to save etc - this means you waisted energy and didn't care about if before? Ouch. I can't optimize it - I'll simply freeze. Same about Japan - they have quite high standards and strict rules, so what do you expect them to do? Also you prefer a car to bicycle no matter how good proposal was... Oh, well... Enjoy the ride and remember that you contribute to warming.

Вт, Янв 2, 2007 07:56pm Anonymous - 7034 d ago

I don’t suppose I should give away my first and lust name too? J
Fighter? No, these are just baby steps. Besides, I would not do this on chicago.ru Maybe I came on to strong?J I noticed I did not use any smiley faces in any of the statements I made. Unemotional speech tends to tip people off sometimes.
I think you miss understood a few things. (Perhaps, it’s because I write in English).
“I was going to recycle??”– Oh, I am recycling! I’ve been doing it since I was a teenager.
True, I haven’t purchased an energy efficient car yet, but I will, no doubt about it.
You don’t expect me to solve Japan’s problems too? I feel some sarcasm in you words, is it because you see my “oration” as a big gobbledygook? I hope not. I do practice what I preach. I also don’t enjoy “the ride” because of my contribution.

Вт, Янв 2, 2007 07:58pm Anonymous - 7034 d ago
J's - were supposed to be smiles

Вт, Янв 2, 2007 11:32pm wizard - 7034 d ago

"first and lust name" - необязательно, напиши под своим старым ником. стыдно или боишься? если это твоя точка зрения, то чего её бояться. с анонимом дискутировать бесполезно - примерно как с пустотой. "no body here have any concern" к проблемам анонимных существ - поэтому не удивляйся, что "no one is interested in this topic".
напиши простым русским языком (есть подозрение что он немного лучше твоего английского

- чего ты хочешь? "reverse the global warming" - не реально. "fear warming" - не вижу смысла. "help the environment" - это прописные истины. "lets make a change" - что именно?

Вт, Янв 2, 2007 11:41pm i - 7034 d ago
какой ты все таки ум....

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 09:41am [Аноним] - 7033 d ago
да какая точка зрения? учебникоф начиталси - надо ж каму-то рассказать Anonymous, а тя переброска сибирских рек на юг не беспокоит? а то вить вместо потепления все перемерзнит - ты за хитер не расплатисси $Very\ Happy$

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 10:53am Anonymous - 7033 d ago

I have very legitimate reasons why I choused to be Anonymous. Don’t ask me why. If I will answer this question it will defeat the purpose. (the purpose has noting to do with this topic). I am not here to hurt anyone. I just wanted to talk about something that is more important, to me anyway. Let me write how I want to do it, after all it is a free country.

You don’t have to write back in the same manner.
What do I want? Very simple, a topic related conversation. Did I get it? Yes, in a very small doze.
I’m sorry Wizard, I was hoping you would understand my position.

Thanks anyway for trying.

PS. I got the feeling, people don’t want to participate in this topic for a completely different reason and it has nothing to do with the language

Very typical, our conversation has turned into something unrelated.

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 11:19am Дед Пихто - 7033 d ago
I got the feeling, people don’t want to participate in this topic (c) Ну наконец то дошло!!!! Kак говорится лучше поже чем никада.

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 11:21am Dervish - 7033 d ago
Very typical, our conversation has turned into something unrelated.(c) chykcha-pisatelь?

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 11:28am Dervish - 7033 d ago
Aga...kto-to pishet sochinenie v kolledzhe....

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 11:56am Anonymous - 7033 d ago

Yeah! You know what else "дошлo"? You are the most selfish human being. It appears to me that you are the one who don’t have opinion of your own unlike other people. You only like to talk about yourself and your personal life, and most of all you don’t like any one who has other views, ideas or beliefs. What you continue to do is to make fun of others and make fast judgments. There are very a few topics that were proposed by you if any. The recent one again about yourself (Она или не она). It is something to think about.

P.S. People, take a closer look at the every topic on this forum? Do you see anything wrong with it? Seriously?
I like to participate in soft topics also, but sometimes I feel it is important to discuss matters of state.

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 12:01pm Dervish - 7033 d ago
Anonimys... Bolshinstvy zdesь-za 30...

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 12:05pm Е. - 7033 d ago
>>Do you see anything wrong with it? Seriously? (Anonymous) (с сомнением) Может автор?

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 12:42pm Дед Пихто - 7033 d ago

анонимусик, я на етом форуме уже долго и знаю какие темы тут пойдут а какие нет и только поетому предлагаю тебе сконцентрироватся на чём нибудь другом. Ничево личново и никаково фест джаджмента, только опыт и здравый смысл

Глобальные проблемы тут мало ково волнуют а если и волнуют то по стольку по скольку. Вот личные переживания, интимные детали и просто трёп ето другое дело. Ты в курсе что такое коньюнктура? Гат ды пойнт, май сошуалы ектив френд?

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 12:57pm Anonymous - 7033 d ago
Thanks for clarifying buddy.

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 12:58pm Е. - 7033 d ago

Anonymous, для кратости: Дед предлагает тебе поделиться с общественностью деталями своих интимных например неудачь, и спросить совета - ты будет удивлен скачку активности. А между постами тогда можеш вставлять 25-м кадром какой-нить слоган типа: "Каждому пингвину - по проруби! Не допустим глобального потепления!"

Ср, Янв 3, 2007 01:00pm Anonymous - 7033 d ago
$Very\ Happy$

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